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		<title>Response to Hawking on alien agenda</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 00:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...something in the world is changing and is forcing some authoritative luminaries of our scientific firmament to pay closer attention to that scenario which they still do not want to depict as anything more than a valid hypothesis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Is the only thing to be feared fear itself?</strong></span></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><em>“…In any event, it is more plausible that the United States (would) be invaded, rather than by troops from the Axis, by the denizens, not well known, but it seems rather warlike, of the planet Mars, who shall come down from sidereal space on unimaginable flying fortresses”.</em></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><strong>- Benito Mussolini, Teatro Adriano, Rome (speech to Fascist Trade Unions), February 23<sup>rd</sup> 1941.</strong></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><em>“I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on this Earth”</em></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><strong>- President Harry Truman, press conference at the White House, April 4th 1950</strong></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><em>“You now face a new world…We speak in strange terms: of harnessing the cosmic energy…of ultimate conflict between a united human race and the sinister forces of some other planetary galaxy”.</em></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><strong>- General Douglas MacArthur, Address to the US Military Academy, West Point, May 12th 1962</strong></p>
<div id="attachment_3417" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 260px"><img class="size-full wp-image-3417" title="stephen_hawking" src="http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/stephen_hawking.jpg" alt="Stephen Hawking" width="250" height="340" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Stephen Hawking</p></div>
<p>The intense debate triggered by Professor Stephen Hawking’s warning against the dangers he predicts in the event of mankind coming into contact with advanced Extraterrestrial life forms reveals that such an event is now accepted by many  as more than a remote theoretical possibility.</p>
<p>Scientists of Hawking’s eminence have, with rare exceptions, tended to dismiss the mere suggestion that life forms equal or superior to our species could visit us &#8211; or be found within the radius of space that is accessible to our space missions &#8211; as a fantasy only acceptable in science fiction. Yet, something in the world is changing and is forcing some authoritative luminaries of our scientific firmament to pay closer attention to that scenario which they still do not want to depict as anything more than a valid hypothesis.</p>
<p>In negotiations regarding matters of sensitive military technology, hypothesis is often resorted to as a diplomatic stratagem to refer to “unacknowledged” or clandestine realities without requiring the other side to admit to their existence. Thus, we could say: “let us assume, for the sake of argument, that you had a secret weapon with such and such capabilities; how could we then handle that threat, if it ever were there, in order to remove suspicions as to your intentions?”.</p>
<p>A similar approach is often adopted in official circles regarding the Extra-terrestrial issue, since it has long gone without saying that “serious, responsible” people don’t believe in UFOs and related subjects and adhere faithfully to the current secular theology which affirms mankind’s supremacy, at least in our solar system if not in this extended neighbourhood of the Milky Way. The establishment has gratefully taken Fermi’s question: “where are they?” as a conclusion: “Thank God, they are nowhere to be seen” and are quite unwilling to move off this metaphysical dime.</p>
<div id="attachment_3415" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 260px"><img class="size-full wp-image-3415" title="Fermi" src="http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/Fermi.jpg" alt="Physicist Enrico Fermi" width="250" height="260" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Physicist Enrico Fermi</p></div>
<p>The very use of the verb “believe” in the “ET business” is revealing since it reduces all positive opinions as to the reality of UFOS or other non-human advanced life forms and organizations from “out there” to an issue of religious faith which, by definition, needs no proof or reasoning to be held. Any amount of credible testimonies, documented reports corroborated by multiple witnesses and by trustworthy technical tools such as high definition binoculars, radars, sonars, theodolites, magnetometers, photographs, film and the like is dismissed or ignored with a disdain evocative of Jean-Jacques Rousseau’s superb admonition: “let us ignore the facts, they have nothing to do with the matter”.</p>
<p>Indeed, material evidence that seems to contradict revered scientific theories is treated with the familiar “not-invented-here” stiff upper lip, including the many photographs taken from our space probes that give hints of the existence of artificial structures and crafts on the Moon and on Mars.</p>
<p>It is an understandable but sad feature of the human mind in general that it much prefers the theories and explanations it begets than the unfamiliar and unexplained happenings that often brutally impact its carefully wrought certainties. Thus many scientists are proud to admit that, like doubting Thomas, they don’t believe their eyes or ears, but unlike him, they won’t be convinced either by touching “hard” evidence that does not fit into the models which they trust such Hawking’s theories about the origin and ultimate fate of the universe. These theories are rooted in “gedanken” experiments, ultimately unprovable and probably devoid of practical use but they nonetheless are greeted with the reverence traditionally shown for divine messages while well documented apparitions of UFOs before many witnesses are shunted aside as if they were suspect and irrelevant mind tricks.</p>
<p>Even highly credible and authoritative personalities, such as NASA astronaut Dr, Edgar Mitchell, ex-Defence Minister of Canada Paul Hellyer, Nobel Prize winning scientist Cary Mullis, the wife of the current Japanese Prime Minister or the late Establishment icon Laurance Rockefeller are disregarded when they affirm the evidence of an Extraterrestrial presence and their convictions are automatically downgraded to the familiar level of “belief” as if they has embraced some bizarre minority cult.</p>
<p>More prudent members of the global elite will concede that they are very interested in the UFO issue but will carefully add that they don’t believe that they are “extra-terrestrial”, even when they have no other explanation to account for their existence. Yet, back on January 28th 1920, the Daily Mirror and other newspapers published Guglielmo Marconi’s declarations about the seemingly intelligent radio messages that were being received from outer space in various locations simultaneously, including New York and London. They reported that he thought those messages might have come from civilizations living on other planets. However, the official “scientific” verdict today is that no “artificial” signal has ever been picked up from outside our planet.</p>
<div id="attachment_3416" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 550px"><img class="size-full wp-image-3416" title="marconi" src="http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/marconi.jpg" alt="Guglielmo Marconi with his equipment." width="540" height="345" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Guglielmo Marconi with his equipment.</p></div>
<p>Against such an attitude which raises skepticism to the degree of negationism, the kind of proof that students of ufology and exopolitics have garnered for well over a century is insufficient since, even the most irrefutable records are held at bay as being at best unexplained anomalies that might be accounted for one day through some unfathomed conspiracy theory. The shoe is then on the other foot because the much-decried “Exopoliticians”  admit that there is a meta-human, extra or supra-terrestrial intelligence agency at work and are willing to take the facts at face value while the orthodox scientists tend to take refuge in a paranoid suspicion that some government-inspired plot  might manifest the “Deus ex machina” of flying saucers and other UFOs and even use midgets or computer-generated special effects to lead naïve citizens into extraterrestrial superstitions, probably so as to better control them.</p>
<p>Yet, that attempt to discount the hard and multiple UFO evidence is unsatisfying to exacting scientists of Hawking’s level and they, sooner or later, must confront the facts, however intellectually uncomfortable those may appear. The next stage is then to admit that there may well be ETs somewhere but with the <em>caveat</em> that mankind should try to stay clear of them because they could be very dangerous for our collective freedom or even our survival. This is precisely what Hawking does. On the face of it, his warning is logically compelling. However, the obviousness of his conclusions makes them almost inane because if ETs are so much more powerful than us and can somehow get here, then our attempt to stay away or ignore them would be futile as the outcome of this contact would not depend on us. On the other hand, if we discover a new living species that lies below our level of evolution, then it is unlikely we would stay away either, given that we have not done so with any of the millions of plants and animals that populate our own planet.</p>
<p>Inevitably Hawking has to use the language of speculative hypothesis in order to allude to some of the hard evidence that has been gathered for so many years. He specifically says: <em>“I imagine (</em>is that a euphemism for<em> “I am aware”?) they (ETs) might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources for their home planet, such advanced aliens  would perhaps have become nomads, looking to conquer and colonize whatever planets they can reach”.</em></p>
<p>As astrophysicist Neil Degrasse Tyson pointed out in an interview with Dr. Sanjay Gupta on CNN on 27<sup>th</sup> of April 2010, Hawking’s depiction of the methods and motivations of the Aliens, based on the many observations of “massive ships” reflects the fear they may think and act as most humans have tended to through history and also the suspicion that they have already done to their original planets the fatal damage that we are inflicting on our own. What part is certain knowledge and what part is speculation? The parallel with Columbus and the Conquistadors and colonizers of the last five centuries comes to mind but let us not forget that there is an alternative philosophy. As against the predatory politics of “dog eats dog” that contemporary social theories generally regard as a fundamental instinct, the spiritual and social systems of India and other ancient lands have proclaimed for millennia that human upliftment is only possible through the shedding of the fear that makes us confuse a rope with a snake, according to the well known aphorism of the Upanishads.</p>
<div id="attachment_3418" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 550px"><img class="size-full wp-image-3418" title="tyson" src="http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/tyson.jpg" alt="Astrophysicist Neil Degrasse Tyson " width="540" height="360" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Astrophysicist Neil Degrasse Tyson </p></div>
<p>The fear of the unknown makes us want to close our door and at the same time prepare to fight and kill whatever it is that may come from the mysterious outside. Aggression is thereby nurtured and turns against all those whom we perceive as different; in return it generates as a mirror image aggression from the other. Given the fact that the manifested Alien presence has not hitherto harmed us in any visible way and has not attempted to conquer us, should we not shed the fear and open our minds, eyes and arms to the undivided, unified universal field and all its denizens?</p>

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		<title>Cameron’s Avatar: The emerging zeitgeist?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Come Carpentier</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[James Cameron’s Avatar may well be one of those symbolic milestones.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-1897" title="Avatar-Movie-logo" src="http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/Avatar-Movie-logo.jpg" alt="Avatar-Movie-logo" width="540" height="120" />Every now and then, a book, a play, or film, marks a watershed in the landscape of culture when it represents most eloquently a growing and world-changing (or “epoch making” as Marxists used to say) awareness.</p>
<div id="attachment_1899" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 260px"><img class="size-full wp-image-1899" title="come-india" src="http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/come-india.jpg" alt="come-india" width="250" height="167" /><p class="wp-caption-text">The author (Come Carpentier) addressing a seminar on the world&#39;s future in New Delhi (image credit: www.ComeCarpentier.com).</p></div>
<p>James Cameron’s Avatar may well be one of those symbolic milestones. As the hitherto most sophisticated result of the technologies of virtual reality and computerized design, it takes place in an already long line of wondrous special effects extravaganzas which include George Lucas’ Star Wars, Steven Spielberg’s ET and Close Encounters, Cameron’s own Terminator and sequels, the Harry Potter series, Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings’ trilogy and so many others.</p>
<p>Yet, the message of Avatar synthesizes some of the most powerful calls that mankind is hearing nowadays: the appeal for a new communion with nature on the cosmic scale, the yearning for disclosure about the reality of other life forms from outside our planet, and the eternal nostalgia for legends and mythology which formed civilization from its origins.</p>
<div id="attachment_1900" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 260px"><img class="size-full wp-image-1900" title="avatar_poster" src="http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/avatar_poster.jpg" alt="avatar_poster" width="250" height="370" /><p class="wp-caption-text">The Avatar Movie Poster</p></div>
<p>Cameron situates himself in the sphere of mythology when he creates his heroic saga on the imaginary planet Pandora -“all gifts” in Greek, but also the name of the Goddess (Mohini) who brought them to Prometheus. The name hints at the pantheistic worldview that prevails on it and that the author advocates &#8211; inhabited by the peaceful and empathic Na’vi, cat-like, slender, blue-skinned humanoids who live in symbiotic communion with the magnificent but dangerous ecosystem of a primeval forest.</p>
<p>It is this ecstatic communion that the film’s hero, a paraplegic former Marine called Jake Sully, sent by the RDA corporation to help explore Pandora through the bio-engineered Avatar created for his late brother, learns from them and gradually becomes one of them. Though the story is set in 2154, Cameron seems to assume that little will change in America or on Earth by then. Our planet has been presumably turned into a biological wasteland by our industry, the economy is still in very bad shape, the US is still fighting wars in many poor and hostile lands on behalf of giant corporations dedicated to exploiting natural resources, but wounded US soldiers are still neglected and financially unable to undergo reconstructive surgery for the injuries incurred in the line of duty.</p>
<p>The contrast between the penniless, paralyzed and depressive discarded mercenary of the earth’s richest nation and the boundlessly free and luminous Na’vi is one of the many ontological antitheses presented in the film.</p>
<p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1896" title="Avatar-Movie-image-Navi" src="http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/Avatar-Movie-image-Navi.jpg" alt="Avatar-Movie-image-Navi" width="200" height="466" />In building Pandora’s fictional world, the author borrows from the legends and traditions of many “primitive” cultures, as most myth-makers have from the dawn of humanity, to create monuments as diverse as the Book of Gilgamesh, the Ramayana, the Iliad and Beowulf or Cuchulain. The Na’vi remind us of all bow and arrow wielding tribal peoples of warm climes, but they particularly evoke images of the blue-green divine heroes of ancient India, Rama and Krishna, whose wisdom and omniscience reflected their profound union with the Cosmic Whole which Cameron calls Eywa, the universal mother who embraces and comprises all creation, according to a concept embedded in Tantric philosophy.</p>
<p>Those people of the Pandoran forest will also remind people familiar with Indic culture, from Mongolia to Indonesia, of the Monkey people or Vanaras met by Rama and his companions in the deep woods of Central India, and who became his allies under the leadership of their king Sugriva and their champion Hanuman. However, the alien people created by Cameron are not modeled on a single historic or mythical race, but are inspired by many diverse shamanistic and pantheistic cultures.</p>
<p>The fact that in order to roam on Pandora freely and meet the Na’vi on their own terms, humans have to go into a state of conscious dream through the medium of a biological Avatar identical to the natives (contrary to the homonymous Internet creation, Cameron’s Avatar, like its Indic archetype is physical and alive) reminds us of the Dreamtime described by Australian aborigines or of the parallel worlds evoked by South American tribals and to which one can accede in sleep, with the help of hallucinogenic drugs such as the Ayahuasca just as Vedic Hindus and Avestan Iranians used the Soma or Haoma plant.</p>
<p>Like the Vedic peoples, but also like many other ancient races on all continents, the Na’vi are said to go through a ritual process of second birth (samsrkt dvija) which ushers them in as full members of the social and universal community of life and soul.</p>
<p>The metaphysical question raised by the cosmology of the Invisible has occupied much of Buddhist and Hindu thought over millennia since there is reason to question the “rational” assumption that only the facts experienced in our waking state are real. Many ancient religious systems relied on the opposite conclusion, which the Spanish writer Calderon de la Barca expressed in five words: “La vida es un sueno”: life is a dream! Other traditions teach that the other worlds we sometimes visit in trance or sleep are as material and actual as our sphere of familiar awareness.</p>
<p>Until we accept and integrate fully the parallel universes that we can visit only in the various subtle and psychic dimensions of our selves, we are doomed to living tragic lives in blindness and “quiet desperation”. For the Na’vi, becoming aware of this transcendent reality is “seeing” the truth of another person’s being. The reference to the symbolism of <em>darsana</em> in Indian psychology and philosophy is transparent.</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1893" title="avatar_choppers" src="http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/avatar_choppers.jpg" alt="avatar_choppers" width="250" height="156" />Avatar dares to proclaim defiantly what many people in the West, and especially in the USA, are still afraid to admit. Cameron squarely points to the American military forces and the associated “private security companies” as the major agents in today’s world of uncontrolled corporate greed in all its brutal destructiveness. The film builds towards a cathartic massacre of the Pentagon’s robotic mercenaries and the utter annihilation (history repeats itself many a time!) of its space age war machine, personified by a Colonel whose face and gait mirror those of the many warlords who regularly appear in the news, from Odierno and Petraeus to McChrystal, just as his corporate army represents Blackwater, Triple Canopy and other such outfits created to privatize war and occupation. The polar opposition between the gracefulness of the native people of the Planet Pandora, the luminous and willowy Na’vi and the mechanical ugliness of the human killing machines is as striking as it is expected to be in a myth which is made up of allegories and signs.</p>
<p>The humanoid natives of Pandora look more than a bit like some of the Aliens described by several witnesses from the 1947 Roswell incident until recent times. Their four-fingered hands seem modeled after the tetradactyle extremities that at least some of the Greys or Zetas are reported to have. Such evocations are hardly surprising in ET-aware Hollywood, all the more from a director who authored the film Aliens in 1986.</p>
<p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1895" title="Avatar-movie-girl" src="http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/Avatar-movie-girl.jpg" alt="Avatar-movie-girl" width="250" height="140" />The sort of  intuitive intelligence that the Na’vi demonstrate in their collective, beehive-like harmony, reminded me of a striking observation made by Whitley Strieber once about the “visitors” who have appeared to him at various occasions in his life: “animals far more intelligent than us”. The Na’vi’s fusional connection with the horse-like quadruped and the flying dragons they ride – as the bluish God Vishnu flies on the giant bird Garuda &#8211; through the merger of the tips of their respective capillary appendices is at once technologically inspired (fiber-optics and hints of David Cronenberg’s Existenz) and related to the Indian and Chinese belief that the brain is rooted in the cosmic oversoul through the pituitary seventh cakra at the crown of the head and also through the Kundalini coiled at the base of the spine as a vestigial tail.</p>
<p>As the polar opposite those fluid, intuitive life forms, Colonel Miles Quaritch, commander of the Company’s private army, the SecFor, is a mixture of Nietzsche’s “beast” and of a ruthless, calculating and emotionally deaf and dumb weapon of mass destruction. He uses the well worn Pentagon jargon which has become so recognizable during the last decade of “pre-emptive” wars: “killing the hostiles”, “minimizing casualties”, “winning hearts and minds”. He is unquestioningly committed to carrying out his mission, which is to allow “free market access” to the corporation to extract the precious mineral Unobtainium (a metaphor for oil or any other coveted mineral) from Pandora’s soil, and he regards all unfamiliar life forms as dangerous nuisances that must be “domesticated” or eliminated at any cost if and when they cannot be simply ignored.</p>
<p>That very attitude is made manifest in the policies enforced by the US and many other governments which consist in systematically ignoring and denying the presence of “Alien” life, especially that which strikes us as being far more evolutionarily advanced than our own. Those who are minimally aware of the Ufological reality realize that Cameron, like most in Hollywood, is not duped by the current political-scientific-military consensus and is making in his film an appeal for disclosure.</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1894" title="avatar_space" src="http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/avatar_space.jpg" alt="avatar_space" width="250" height="156" />Quaritch reports to a wimpish, self-absorbed and infantile corporate boss of RDA, Parker Selfridge – a George W Bush to Quaritch’s Cheney or Rumsfeld &#8211; and they both have a conflictual rapport with the scientist, Grace Augustine, played by Sigourney Weaver, who serves the operatives of the military-industrial complex in her research on Pandora in spite of her moral reservations. Yet, they finance her work so that she needs them to carry out her investigations. The ambiguous role of scientists as handmaidens of their corporate paymasters (somewhat like the missionaries of the colonial ages) is illustrated quite tellingly.</p>
<p>Another parallel is drawn between the wondrously strange and intensely alive but somewhat ethereal world of Pandora and the high tech, ugly and depressing artificial habitat in which the earthly invaders are imprisoned. Where is reality? In the scientifically controlled, drably military environment of the occupiers (where the only entertainment available is the mini-golf used by the corporate boss) or in the fantastic wilderness of Pandora, inaccessible to humans outside their heavily insulated and armored aircraft and “exoskeletons” (dubbed AMP for “Amplified Motion Platforms”).</p>
<p>The reference to the US bases set up in many countries and thoroughly cut off from the outside world, making the American soldiers and administrators the real aliens for the rest of mankind, is obvious, and the Na’vi are virtual icons of all the native peoples subjugated and massacred by colonizers, from the Aztecs, Incas and Patagonians to the Bantus, the Red Indians, and the aboriginal Australians.</p>
<p>The analogy with the Vietnamese, Iraqis or Afghans is not so transparent because those martyred people are not “pristine” children of Nature, though the attitude of the US occupiers towards them is similar to that of most conquistadors of yore, but as the hero of the film points out, those alien people cannot be won over with baubles or “light beer” or even by giving them American education and teaching them English. The endeavour of the conquerors is tragically flawed and is bound to fail, but not without causing immense destruction.</p>
<p>Predictably, the target of Colonel Queritch after he has destroyed the “tree of voices” (“first, cut off the target people from their source of traditional wisdom” seems to be the rule followed by colonialists and missionaries) and the “hometree” of the Na’vi (which disintegrates in a manner intentionally reminiscent of the World Trade Centre’s destruction in 2001 and happens to stand on the largest deposit of Unobtainium), is to “preemptively” take out the soul tree, Cameron’s allusion to the Aswattha of Indian mythology (and to the Nordic Yggdrasil) which, as Augustine tries to explain to the dismissive colonel and the bemused corporate executive, lies at the core of the planet’s bio-botanical neural network. She provides thereby a graphic image of the phenomenon of non-locality explained by quantum entanglement in contemporary physics as it applies to the eco-sphere, but such a holistic perspective is predictably beyond the grasp of her mentally autistic listeners, bent on quick territorial conquest and financial profit.</p>
<p>Cameron makes it clear that the only option for survival and for the preservation of our environment is to overthrow the tyranny of finance and technology enforced by the warlords of the Pentagon and their soldiers of fortune and misfortune. His film is a rousing call for defiance and rebellion that many in the US civilian and military sectors may eventually heed, and it is symbolically enlightening and also inevitable that he should conceive an iconography reminiscent of the Hindu sacred epics in order to convey this radical and apocalyptic message. What splendid depictions of the Indian myths and legends could be made nowadays by using the stereoscopic and virtual camera “motion capture” techniques, aptly called “3D Fusion Camera System”, pioneered in Avatar!</p>
<p>For more information about Come, visit: <a href="http://www.comecarpentier.com" target="_blank">www.ComeCarpentier.com</a></p>

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